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https://philpapers.org/rec/MAYMPF

May, Joshua. “Moral Progress for Better Apes,” 2023. is a review of a title I feel I have to get hold of now,

Kumar, V., & Campbell, R. (2022). A Better Ape: The Evolution of the Moral Mind and How it Made Us Human. Oxford University Press.

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I must be mixing my frames too readily. This is why I feel more punctuation might be better BTW. quotes and parentheses might not be enough.…

Kant's (begins in a place) which is an outcome of evolutionary processes but is not aware of it as such (this describes all of us at some point and many cultures) (He is probably the worst example for this discussion but here we go). Where "Kant starts with" on his terms is beyond my expertise.

What we get in common from our evolutionary past is an urge or drive or instinct to world, one of the products of this living engagement is to should or moralise. I would argue Kant takes these secondary or derivative products assumes them as primary.

I argue it is backwards (un-informed) in terms (or frames)of what our evolutionary history provides. There is no system here per se. My position here is very similar I discovered in about December 2022 to neo-Pyrrhonist positions.

And that there isn't much to this provisioning except we benefit in survival by shoulding (socially) in and about our worlds, compared to populations who do not do "shoulding", much the way hunger gets us fed as individuals, but in regards to our social niche constructions and umwelts thereof. Hunger makes a good sauce but besides informing preferences (or taste) provides no recipes, recipes are an outcome. Kant starts with a menu of recipes...

I do not argue that this backward in terms of the way we should do it, that a) would be moralising just the same so, b) do not argue about what a good system would/should look like with a more correct better 'system'.

i do argue we should be aware of what we do, in the worldly hope that we would world better. We should world better. How? Not so sure yet. But I feel I now know why we should (all puns intended) and this comes from reading ideas about the palaeolithic egalitarian revolution in various Homo sp (if not all great apes to some degree).

If the self is a delusion then so is the world, we carry on regardless dong the both of them.

I was raised catholic but this was more lapsed identitarian-Irish rebels in Australia (I've a relative who was part of the Rockite Rebellionin 1820 and transported as a convict to NSW, I am descended from a younger brother of his), and my recent posts on Catholicism are a surprise to me, but then this obedience thing was a surprise when I learned that Fideism is a heresy from the POV of Catholics & Orthodox christianity. It blew my tiny brain. The dominance of evangelical devoteeist forms of Christianity (both as a joke and as a political force) in the public sphere (nearly typed MSM) hid this from me. Fideism is as bad as worshipping satan, apparently...

The closest we get to platonic forms is when we read Neal Stephenson's Anathem.

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