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meika loofs samorzewski's avatar

"To me, this is the real argument against utilitarianism. It isn’t that utilitarians are autistic, or that they lack moral feelings, but rather that there is no way to substantiate utilitarianism logically or empirically. Even I don’t know many truly amoral utilitarians, but I do bump into a lot of self-rationalists who want to be “Less Wrong,” and then whatever, just believe whatever they want and cobble together the explanation afterwards. If you call yourself a rationalist, and then find yourself you are concerned with moral systems matching your intuitions, just remember, this is the same reason George W. Bush felt sustained by the prayers of his supporters: “I just feel it.” "

What you have noted here, and by noting it you have noticed more… is I what call this the world-building urge. Everyone empathic world-builds except narcissists and psychopaths, who are the world and are perfect as they are. (this is the notice that should reframe after the notice you have written above)(neo-Pyrrhonism is not far away) Worldbuilding urge does not care what the outcome is, much the same way hunger does not care what you eat, and definitely not recipe you use to make a meal you share with others, even with the 'W'.

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Perhaps the reason utilitarianism is to many more appealing than moral nihilism as you describe it is that utilitarianism is universally applicable; in theory, I can behave in a way that is consistent with utilitarianism and I can ask that other people also behave in that way. My moral intuition, by comparison, may be completely different from that of my neighbor, or someone living on another continent. Encouraging other people to follow their moral intuitions (or other intuitions) has the potential to directly contradict mine. Because moral nihilists rely more overtly on intuition, moral nihilism can answer the question, ‘what should I do?’ but cannot answer the question, ‘what should we do?’ In this way, utilitarianism (though flawed) offers a sort of social contract that moral nihilism cannot.

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