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My hat is off to parents, particularly those who step up to the plate and take an honest swing at it. Civilization's unsung heroes and heroines. 👍🙂

But consciousness is definitely a puzzle. One of the better books I've read on the topic, of several, is David Chalmer's "The Conscious Mind". Couple of insightful and amusing quips from the 20 pages of notes I made on it some 13 years ago:

DC: "Consciousness is the biggest mystery. It may be the largest outstanding obstacle in our quest for a scientific understanding of the universe. ....

The International Dictionary of Psychology does not even try to give a straightforward characterization:

'Consciousness: The having of perceptions, thoughts, and feelings; awareness. The term is impossible to define except in terms that are unintelligible without a grasp of what consciousness means. Many fall into the trap of confusing consciousness with self-consciousness – to be conscious it is only necessary to be aware of the external world. Consciousness is a fascinating but elusive phenomenon: it is impossible to specify what it is, what it does, or why it evolved. Nothing worth reading has been written about it. (Sutherland 1989)' [pg. 3] ....

I have advocated some counterintuitive views in this work. I resisted mind-body dualism for a long time, but I have now come to the point where I accept it, not just as the only tenable view but as a satisfying view in its own right. It is always possible that I am confused, or that there is a new and radical possibility that I have overlooked; but I can comfortably say that I think dualism is very likely true. I have also raised the possibility of a kind of panpsychism. Like mind-body dualism, this is initially counterintuitive, but the counterintuitiveness disappears with time. I am unsure whether the view is true or false, but it is at least intellectually appealing, and on reflection it is not too crazy to be acceptable."

I likewise find the "mind-body dualism" the more plausible argument -- consciousness as a process rather than a thing.

But ICYMI, you might find it particularly interesting given Chalmer's forays into quantum mechanics.

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consciousness/intelligence & turing machine debate at pfbid02bWbsGeLGTjYDhtqGhNGShTESPRAB1aGxBaKg4LTNe9Yn3PVxdABKn1tXGWZLAA3Ml

my current updated model onthe question feel that general intelligence doesn't exist, so a moonshot for AGI is potentially a category error,

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