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RenOS's avatar

I've always been of two minds about surveys; (Self-)deception is just too strong. There is no reason to believe that a person who is lying a lot IRL isn't lying when filling out a survey; Worse yet, there is no reason to believe that person is even honest to themselves or fully aware of the degree of their own dishonesty.

At the current political moment, I see this most clearly when it comes to "combating disinformation". Strictly speaking, who doesn't support that? Yet, I don't. The problem isn't the idea, it's the practice: It's mostly used to shut up inconvenient voices on technicalities, while the favored voices can usually get away with blatant lies as long as they have some fig leaf to hide behind.

This is what I think when I see "honesty" as an item on one side. It's certainly the side that wants (you) to believe that they're honest. Are they? Hard to say. IRL it's not rare at all for the person who says that lies are sometimes justifiable to be more truthful than the person who claims that you should never lie.

In support of the article, I've been saying for some time now that the current left, similar to other idealistic/religious dogmas, has become the side of "sounds nice, doesn't work". What I want is, obviously, "sounds nice, and works". But if that's not an option, I'll rather settle for "works, but isn't nice".

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Stephen Bowman's avatar

I found your argument thought-provoking, especially your insights on tender-minded projection and the importance of acknowledging fundamental differences in perception and reasoning.

Your call for intellectual humility—“If you are different from me, what do you see that I don’t see?”—is a valuable approach to political discourse.

That said, I think the argument could be strengthened by addressing a few points:

1. Cognitive Biases Exist on Both Sides

You argue that tender-minded individuals assume too much similarity, leading to naivety. But tough-minded individuals are also prone to distortions, particularly negativity bias, which can lead to excessive distrust and overestimation of threats (Hibbing, Smith & Alford, 2014). If tender-mindedness risks naivety, doesn’t tough-mindedness risk cynicism?

2. Political Views Can Change

Your discussion of heritability in political attitudes is compelling, but history shows that ideology is shaped by material conditions and crises:

• Post-WWII Germany & Japan embraced liberal democracy after militarism.

• The Great Depression shifted views on state intervention.

If political beliefs were purely biologically driven, we wouldn’t see such shifts. How do you reconcile personality-driven ideology with historical transformations?

3. Tender-Mindedness Can Be Pragmatic

You frame tough-minded realism as practical and tender-mindedness as naive, yet history shows tender-minded policies can be strategically effective:

• The Marshall Plan prevented the spread of communism without war.

• Portugal’s drug decriminalization led to lower addiction rates and crime.

If tough-mindedness leads to realism, what happens when tender-minded policies outperform tough-minded ones?

4. The Limits of Dialogue

Your argument promotes understanding ideological differences, but not all viewpoints are reconcilable:

• A democracy cannot function if one side denies elections.

• Not all perspectives deserve legitimacy—science denial, racism, and authoritarianism must be actively opposed.

• Bad-faith actors exist—some use political discourse as a weapon rather than engaging honestly.

Where do you see the boundary between productive debate and the need to reject certain ideas outright?

I’d love to hear your thoughts—especially on how you see realism, pragmatism, and ideology interacting.

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