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Catching‎‎‎‎‎ ‎Muses's avatar

You should look at Protagoras. He's one of the very, very few philosophers to admit that reason can be used to justify anything ("Protagoras was the first to claim that there are two contradictory arguments about everything"), and asserted, confusingly, that everything is true. He felt no shame in selling off his rhetorical tricks to students because he believed that debate itself is meaningless and can go nowhere. This is an extreme position, but it anticipates the entire history of Western philosophy. I think a deep dive into Hume and Kant with Protagoras in the background will give you some very rich food for thought here. I plan to do that in 2024, personally!

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Alright, time for part two. The second big issue that needs to be overcome is the abstract nature of the philosophical concepts being discussed. Now, this isn't inherently a problem, when we're trying to progress a field. Mathematics is highly abstract, after all, and we've had plenty of progress there. The difference is that math is a highly mechanistic field of study. Abstraction exacerbates the difficulties already present in solving a dynamic system.

"Good" might mean the ability to live an enjoyable existence, or maximizing the happiness of all individuals, or removal of pain and suffering, or eating a delicious slice of apple pie. Or all of these things, or none of these things, or some of these things. If the philosophy of good and bad was a mechanistic system, then all we would have to do to figure out which items belong is to solve the equation. But since it is dynamic, the equation is reliant on us.

I actually might have misspoken about the state of science, in my last comment? It's possible that science is also a dynamic system, but manages to make progress by dealing primarily with concrete phenomena. Mathematics seems to be the inverse, mechanistic and abstract, which is likely why we made progress so much more quickly in that field. Dynamic systems make everything difficult.

So I guess if we're trying to push philosophy forward, that gives us a couple of solid role models. If we can find portions of philosophy which are mechanistic in nature, then we can make progress the same way that mathematicians do. This would probably apply to the realms of logic and argumentation, I believe. Conversely, if we can find portions of philosophy which are concrete, then we can make progress the way that science does. Make a hypothesis, test to see if it holds up. This might be underexplored? Philosophers cling a little too tightly to their thought experiments, in my experience. This leads to things like the trolley problem being used as a method of demonstrating the irrationality of the human mind, rather than a failed hypothesis for how morality functions.

This still leaves us with difficulties advancing the field in areas which are both dynamic and abstract, but I'll think on it, see if I can come up with something down the line. In the meantime, is this helpful at all? Does this open up any solid lines of inquiry, that you can think of? I'm mostly just spitballing here, keeping things broad. If you've got some specific examples to test, that might help to figure out if this is a viable framework, going forward.

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