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(Please pardon the "excessively" negative tone here, OP seems like a good guy!)

From a relative perspective, it's a great essay. But from an absolute perspective, I have some critiques (but I'm really digging deep into "pedantic" (oh what a powerful word to keep a society people dumb) here....no offense intended...and some praise too):

I loved this (that you left a part in but crossed it out, a true Rationalist!):

> The more information we have, the more confident we can be about ~~the world we live~~ (crossed out in the essay, not sure if markdown is supported in the comments) in tanks.

This part, I have more of a problem with:

> The more unbiased information we have, the more confident we can be.

> The less unbiased information we have, the less confident we can be.

I'm skeptical of this if the argument is (even implicitly, as I have a causality first perspective) that it can be applied to the metaphysical realm with the same effectiveness as in the physical realm (no caveats were noted, so, being not charitable to the science crowd, I will assume that is implied, hypocrisy be damned).

> The tl;dr here is that possible bias doesn’t have to be fatal to understanding, so long as we can identify which direction that bias is in.

A problem: how do you know if you're in such a situation where direction is deceiving? Or, how do you know if you might be in a black swan scenario? Tautologies are powerful when used safely, but it's easy to accidentally cut oneself (or others) using them.

> What I am interested in is time. My university training is in physics, and this is what physicists do: we think about the past, and the future, to try to understand how systems evolved to reach the present, and where they will go.

Ahem: a *subset of* (the physical realm, solely).

Also: I suspect you and I would not see eye to eye on what "Reality" is, but I also have an intuition we'd disagree less than usual.

> But what if, instead of this, we imagine that a well known discovery was never made?

10/10, high quality thinking, love it!

> For centuries at least, no one believed anyone in the ancient world was capable of making such a thing, because no evidence had been found.

I don't deny that at least *some* scientists can *sometimes* get the logic here right, but I could easily go onto social media and get 100 science fans (and some actual scientists, though they're much more rare than simple fans) in under two hours to assert as a fact that an absence of evidence is proof of abscence.

Another important (tangential) thing to keep in mind here from a general perspective: the output of any given scientist (a human) when writing a paper using "System 2" cognition is *very* different than when they're engaged in realtime, "System 1" cognition....but conveniently (so I am told, over and over and over, with supreme confidence):

- the former is all that counts

- if a scientist *actually is* caught in wrong doing/thinking, then "they're not a scientist" (I've had easily 100+++ science fans tell me this with complete sincerity)

- various other Meme Magic

> Well, what would you have thought? I know exactly what I would have thought: I would have thought No, the ancient Romans couldn’t have done that, since I have no evidence that they could.

Another common problem, at least among the faithful fan base: they literally(!) cannot distinguish between beliefs and knowledge - in this case, they would *perceive it as a fact* that the ancient Romans couldn’t have done that, "since there is no evidence (yet another faith-based belief) that they could".

> Because I do know that the absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

Actually, it is. (Your second "evidence" should be "proof" - there's a good paper out there somewhere on this. Notice also that you used the word "know" - uh oh!)

Here's a more reasonable articulation of my stance: I am ok with the good part of science, but I have a VERY big problem with:

- scientists laying claim to all lanes, when they belong in one: the physical realm (the red-headed stepchild Psychology being the exception....underfunded, and forced to follow a bunch of silly guidelines not appropriate outside of the hard sciences, *holding humanity back for decades, and counting*)

- the fan base, the fact that these idiots get zero negative attention (press coverage, for example) for their foolish behavior (never mind the Nth order metaphysical consequences (Trump?), and that "the institution of science" does NOTHING to reign them in (but if power is the goal, it is a wise strategy)

- the Climate Change (and other) narratives - I do not like how science gets praise for the positive things they do, but when its found out after the fact that the toys they put into the hands of babes without thinking turn out to destroy the ecosystem, they're nowhere to be found, if not "proven" to be innocent - see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect

So that's a short glimpse into the insane world of how I have a mean on for The Science. I encourage you to review me harshly, it's a fun!

EDIT - forgot this:

> This is not true.

Watch out for that word "is", it is (ha!) extremely tricky!! (The problem lies in set theory.)

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