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Thanks. The whole age/experience/time dynamic needs better nutting out.

Also I reckon (suggest as lead) that values are outcomes, more than causes. Not saying you're investigating them that way, but using them as like animistic tree spirits… might be they are just saplings or grandees of the forest using outcomes as handy labels, but that's not how they got there.

And another thing, any control for narcissism/psychopathy per se, if they are actual parasites rather than part of the rich diversity of life, is there an argument to control for their capture of that part of the spectrum. ????? maybe???? Sure it's a spectrum, sure things average out with age but.

I say this because I have seen covert and grandiose narcissists espouse all sorts of positions and values depending on the audience (i.e. otherwise incoherent positions) and what is seen (in the moment) as a good way to manipulate them. And I don't just mean standout mountebanks like the Petersen or Sam Bankman-Fried (Yuuuup, effective altruism). I've come across them in all groups, in all parts of the spectrum, where maintaining their membership to any group/view is more based on their tactical familiarity with their targets for generating supply/control/cash who happen to be in group/view X.

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